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"it is the local crooked Immigration Consultants (there is plenty of those there...) - mostly in China. Not only do they get a huge piece of "flesh" (at times, as much as US$15,000) from the Chinese investors in Chiona, they also get as much as $25,000 to $30,000 from Regional Centers! Further, under the disguice of "monitoring the Regional Centers' job creation process" take away the preferred return from the petitioners: 2% (+/-) per year x 5 years = US$50,000! So, if you add it all up: the "blood suckers" get nearly US$100,000 for each EB-5 investor! This makes the dream of getting a US residency card so expensive! Yet, the dream of getting a Green Card is so powerful, the investors pay for it through the nose! When are we going to stop this? Posted @ Monday, March 12, 2012 11:57 AM by CK" CK, notice your post. I don't agree with you on your comments towards the commission that the Chinese agents can make, simply because it is purely a business topic. What you think the Chinese agents should earn? How do you define it? If a fund-alike RC can charge 7% a year to the cash hungry developer, why the Chinese agents as the key fundraiser can not keep 2%? Should the fundraiser do all the stuff at no cost? Did you know that they are the first ones being knocked down by the China's Exit & Entry department if some of their investors I-829 application go south? So clam down, China gets all the reason to blame since it is not a mutured capitalism yet. It's our SEC does not even pay attention to protect their citizens being flood by all these foreign eb-5 investment opportunities yet. What they should do is to ask every single RC to registered their new offering, fully release the risk which 99% RCs don't be willing to do when they tout their eb-5 projects to the China's eb-5 agents. In terms of money none is holly, my man. I've seen many of them telling different stories to the China's agents far from the truth. if someone did not eat apiece of flesh yet, do some investigation and see what he can do to add value and get paid for. Posted @ Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:40 PM by Chinaeb5 Chinaeb5 I noticed your comment. Allow me to make it clear: as an immigration AGENT in China or anywhere else for that matter, you must disclose to all parties (EB-5 investors - most importantly!)involved that you get paid by both sides. I have been in that part of the world long enough (almost 20 years) to know that NONE of the AGENTs disclose to the investors that they get paid by Regional Centers. Moreover, the AGENTS' consultants or any other staff has no clue of such "arrangement" with RCs. Where is the transparency, Chinaeb5? The simple decency requires such openness! An AGENT cannot have two masters, unless both consented to such dual arrangement in advance and in writing. To become an RC, it is a complicated and a very costly process! RC's Principals spent a huge amount of capital (seven figures!) to get the USCIS' approval. In addition, the RCs spent additional capital getting ready to present their EB-5 projects: brochures, DVDs, Offering Documents, MTGE documents, etc, etc. What about travel expenses? All such additional expenditures amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars! I know this first hand... What right does an AGENT have to demand participation in RC's income? Many AGENTs already take away the investors' preferred returns under the pretext of "monitoring job creation"! Moreover, they demand a large portion of RC's income... What right does an AGENT have to charge each investor locally and the RC abroad without properly disclosing such arrangement? Do you want an answer or you do not get the meaning of my questions? I know it's the latter, having dealt with so many AGENTS over the years! TRANSPARENCY is a concept very few AGENTS understand in China. However, I can attest to a number that do! It is a real pleasure doing business with those - we all make a living and are happy to help the hundreds of investors that seek the light at the end of a very dark tunnel! CK Posted @ Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:05 PM by CK Allow me to make it clear: as an immigration AGENT in China or anywhere else for that matter, you must disclose to all parties (EB-5 investors - most importantly!) involved that you get paid by both sides. I have been in that part of the world long enough (almost 20 years) to know that NONE of the AGENTs disclose to the investors that they get paid by Regional Centers. Moreover, the AGENTS' consultants or any other staff has no clue of such "arrangement" with RCs. Where is the transparency, Chinaeb5? >>> Before I can give you an applause for promoting transparency and full release of all info, I remind you that you should do some research on the RC side. Did you know that most of them for the money sake did not willing to release the project full info to the China’s agents? Do some research on the NYCRC “NBA” and the East River waterfront project (congratulations NYCRC for your accomplishment through http://nycrc.com/pdf/NYCRC -- PR7 -...proves 500th NYCRC EB-5 Investor Petition.pdf ), South Dakota RC wind power plant project info, Times square hotel project info, and many more. The simple decency requires such openness! An AGENT cannot have two masters, unless both consented to such dual arrangement in advance and in writing. >>> What I want to reiterate is: Yes, China has everything for all of us to blame. The Chinese authority did not enforce any regulation yet to force the agents to release commission to investors. Yeah, I agree, what they really should do is to switch the oversight body from the clueless police department to the Chinese SEC and ask every agents to have a security license to do eb-5 and hire only brokers with a security license. They should also ask you guys to register the offering under the Chinese SEC to make it legally recruiting the Chinese investors for a U.S. private equity, since RCs are basically the U.S. businesses and the Chinese SEC has no right to go across the border to go after a RC is it cheats, so they should ask RC to put down security significant amount of money as deposit before a RC can start to recruit investors in Mainland. They should ban eb-5 from being promote to the general public since it is basically a PE. They should set certain standard for RCs to follow in terms of what kind of info must be released to the Chinese investors. Believe me, I am 100% with you on openness but I ask on both sides! Believe me, they are discussing to set up a board with experienced members to screen RCs projects before those projects can be allowed to present in Mainland. To become an RC, it is a complicated and a very costly process! RC's Principals spent a huge amount of capital (seven figures!) to get the USCIS' approval. In addition, the RCs spent additional capital getting ready to present their EB-5 projects: brochures, DVDs, Offering Documents, MTGE documents, etc, etc. What about travel expenses? All such additional expenditures amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars! I know this first hand... What right does an AGENT have to demand participation in RC's income? >>> CK, again, eb-5 is a business. Newcomers jump into this business spent some dollars to set up a RC bearing in his mind of making more (BTW, seven figures to get a RC approval is not very very uncommon!), I saw many dreamers driving by greed hoping that by simply creating an empty RC that they can make easy money. It looks like the last field in today’s economy that you can make more by finding so many unsophisticated investors with very limited financial cost (again, can you do some research on the agents side of the cost and their cash flow? ) Many AGENTs already take away the investors' preferred returns under the pretext of "monitoring job creation"! Moreover, they demand a large portion of RC's income... What right does an AGENT have to charge each investor locally and the RC abroad without properly disclosing such arrangement? Do you want an answer or you do not get the meaning of my questions? I know it's the latter, having dealt with so many AGENTS over the years! TRANSPARENCY is a concept very few AGENTS understand in China. However, I can attest to a number that do! It is a real pleasure doing business with those - we all make a living and are happy to help the hundreds of investors that seek the light at the end of a very dark tunnel! >>> Somehow I agree with you that the China market needs transparency, but CK, again, do you know many RCs already take away the investors’ preferred returns? Many fund-alike RCs do nothing but a middle man. I know most China’s agents also blame that RCs are holding off important financial info of the project or info between the RCs and the projects principals.

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回复: 美国有关中国中介的收费的争论 -有趣你认为那是争论？我认为简直就是对蠢话的批判！Chinaeb5 把CK 批得很精彩！ Chinaeb5精彩句子摘录： What you think the Chinese agents should earn? How do you define it? If a fund-alike RC can charge 7% a year to the cash hungry developer, why the Chinese agents as the key fundraiser can not keep 2%? Should the fundraiser do all the stuff at no cost? In terms of money none is holly, my man. I've seen many of them telling different stories to the China's agents far from the truth. Before I can give you an applause for promoting transparency and full release of all info, I remind you that you should do some research on the RC side. Did you know that most of them for the money sake did not willing to release the project full info to the China’s agents?

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不理闲事，不听废话，低头做事，抬头看路！均属个人观点，与所在机构无关 超赞 赏 C columbiaman 0$(VIP 0) 2562012-03-30#3 回复: 美国有关中国中介的收费的争论 -有趣我觉得有个观点非常正确，就是中介一定要事先告知客户是两边拿钱这个事实，而目前很多客户似乎都不知道这个事实。其实双边拿钱也没什么问题，但是一定要告知客户让客户心里有数才行。

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回复: 美国有关中国中介的收费的争论 -有趣区域中心和移民公司之间是代理关系。 移民公司和EB-5投资移民投资者之间不是代理关系，律师才是你的代理人，移民公司只是提供咨询和移民文案服务。收的是服务费。 选择项目，要投资者独立作出决定。 两笔钱性质不同。

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不理闲事，不听废话，低头做事，抬头看路！均属个人观点，与所在机构无关移民公司和EB-5投资移民投资者之间不是代理关系，律师才是你的代理人，移民公司只是提供咨询和移民文案服务。收的是服务费。 。点击展开... 实话说出来了，移民中介和EB-5投资人不是代理关系。 投资人在和律师签合同的时候，是不是中介不让投资人直接和律师签。就象上边的对话说的，中介根本不让投资人和美国律师直接接触。 又说中介帮投资人选项目，降低风险。中介做雷锋？ 说一套，做一套了。

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回复: 美国有关中国中介的收费的争论 -有趣">>> Before I can give you an applause for promoting transparency and full release of all info, I remind you that you should do some research on the RC side. Did you know that most of them for the money sake did not willing to release the project full info to the China’s agents? Do some research on the NYCRC “NBA” and the East River waterfront project (congratulations NYCRC for your accomplishment through http://nycrc.com/pdf/NYCRC -- PR7 -...proves 500th NYCRC EB-5 Investor Petition.pdf ), South Dakota RC wind power plant project info, Times square hotel project info, and many more. 上边那位发言的，要投资人去调查一下NBA 项目， East River Waterfront 项目，南达州区域中心风电项目，时代广场酒店项目。看来村长一直唠叨的项目， 别人也有共鸣啊。 .点击展开...

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